mahnmut: (The Swallows have won!)
mahnmut ([personal profile] mahnmut) wrote2011-04-20 06:21 pm
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Depends. Do they, or did they, demand that folk who had moved to California and had profited from slavery leave all their profits where they made them? Does it make outstate folk show their passports at the borders?

I begin to think that this idea that the US is composed of different 'independent' states gives anywhere in the USA a get out of jail free card for anything, at least according to the 'states rights' promoters.
Is the USA a Union or not? Does it have a common foreign policy? A single president? One Supreme Court? One constitution? Is it in fact a 'Nation-State'?

Be that as it may, as for the statement whether California had slavery or not being relevant or not is dependent upon whether California ever had any discriminatory laws against black folk and for white folk at black folks' expense.

After all, in the terms of the cartoon, and I would suggest in reality, legally enshrined prejudice is just slavery-lite.
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure you're right.

Now deal with the "Be that as it may" part.
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Privilege. A sense of entitlement. Being accustomend to being obeyed.

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn my spelling.
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
It's okay. Maybe white folk deserve lynching sometimes too.
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Irony is only as good as its audience.
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
So....what's the verdict on California's civil rights then?
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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
So, even in sunny California, the cartoon has some relevance.

Mind you, the Chinese are more interesting, given that they're about to become our new overlords, rather than the victims of our oppression.

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[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
And I'm English and Irish.

But:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance

seems to indicate that both the UK and the US (along with Japan, Italy, France, Germany, Russia, and Austria-Hungary) were involved in some way or another in oppressing the Chinese.

You may just get away with the Mexican bit, but the Irish had soldiers there too as part of the British Army as then was. :)

[identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com 2011-04-21 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Using Irish troops as saying Irish supported English colonialism is kinda like using black Confederate troops to say that blacks were in support of slavery :P

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-21 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
Are you entirely sure, old thing: the British Army at the time was volunteer. There was no conscription.

[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com 2011-04-21 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
In fact, there wasn't even conscription in Northern Ireland during WWII. (And most of the volunteers in the Irish regiments were from the Free State.)

[identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com 2011-04-21 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
You have a Free State? Hey, ours is even Orange!

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2011-04-20 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
To some degree. The other side of that is people like Frederick Douglass were advocating "radicalism" that is the political view of racial integration advocated in the 21st Century and while Andrew Johnson had one of the most obscene racist Administrations in US history, Grant was the only President until LBJ to try at all to do something for Civil Rights for everybody (except women).

There *were* people of the time who did advocate full racial equality and one of my favorite Union Generals, George H. Thomas was a Virginian who fought for the Blue.