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...the facts start piling up. This time I'll leave the readers do their own conclusions.

But first, a little introduction:

Analysis: Is Gaza blockade a legitimate tool of war?
http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=91645

And now, the facts.

VIDEO: IDF Soldier Beaten Mercilessly with Iron Bars by Turkish Flotilla Thugs
http://undhimmi.com/2010/05/31/video-idf-soldier-beaten-mercilessly-with-iron-bars-by-turkish-flotilla-thugs/

Turkish Funds Helped Group Test Blockade
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/world/middleeast/02activists.html?ref=middleeast

Who was funding the Gaza flotilla?
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/06/01/who-was-funding-the-gaza-flotilla.php

Turkish Flotilla Organisers Linked to Terror Funding
http://undhimmi.com/2010/06/01/turkish-flotilla-organisers-linked-to-terror-funding/

Turkish (blood)bath: Ankara ambushes Israel at sea
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/turkish_blood_bath_Jean7yjj5Salz75brRSsMJ

Turkish ship sailed Islamic terrorists ready to kill Jews
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/turkish-ship-sailed-islamic-terrorists-ready-to-kill-jews/

Turkish provocation and Arabic lives
http://times.am/2010/05/31/turkish-provocation-and-arabic-lives/

A brutal ambush at sea
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3896796,00.html

The Terror Finance Flotilla: The convoy of ships allegedly trying to bring aid to the Gaza Strip was organized by a group belonging to an officially designated terrorist organization.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-finance-flotilla

And finally, let's just mention that there's a new flotilla in the making as we speak:

International campaign preparing new aid flotilla to Gaza
http://ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=25047

Any predictions how this one will develop?

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Date: 2010-06-04 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
Um, I just had a read through, and I don't think I'd trust half of these sources. None of them seem neutral, several are conspiracy theorist and a couple, particularly the second and the seventh, seem to be in cloud cuckoo land.

I'd stick to the BBC and main news organisations, personally.

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Date: 2010-06-04 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
What, you don't care about ""independent"" sources? (double quotation marks)

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Date: 2010-06-05 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
Sorry? I don't get the meaning of the double quotations. I was just saying I'd stick to stuff that was at least trying to remain impartial and report the facts.

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Date: 2010-06-05 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Show me a guideline defining the criteria for impartiality.

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Date: 2010-06-05 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
We;ll, it's a nice start if to begin with every side is accusing the news source of being biased against the other guy. The BBC is particular has been accused of being left-wing, right-wing, pro-palestinian, pro Israel, all usually at the same time.
Then, it is usually good if they do not make it blatently obvious what side they are on in putting forwards opinions as well as facts. Those which appear to eb sticking to the facts and not pushing any agenda are best.

Finally, I wound not trust any site which seems to be founded on conspiracy theories, which at least two of your sources seem to be.

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Date: 2010-06-05 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
So you want them not to state their biases but instead follow them silently, while still holding biases. That's called political correctness.

Fact: you'll probably never find a completely impartial media.

I already understood that you would not trust part of the sources. Frankly, I seldom trust any sources.

Maybe you should read my previous post too.

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Date: 2010-06-04 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
That still leaves you with the other half.

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Date: 2010-06-05 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
You: and I don't think I'd trust half of these sources

Me: That still leaves you with the other half.


Which means you trust half of these sources. That would suffice, I guess. The point being that you may selectively pick up one or more sources, declare them unreliable, and thus dismiss the entire point. -or- You could skip those sources which you don't trust, and focus on the point, based on those which you do trust.

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Date: 2010-06-05 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
I don't trust half the sources, and don't know enough about the other half to be able to make a balanced judgement. They may have a point, this is true, but then the crazy man in palimant sqaure holding boards saying the freemasons did 9/11 might have a point about Global Warning, but I'd rather trust the scientists.
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