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Thanks. I'll read through it after I get back from my second job interview (I'm in the final 2!) and give my first actual opinion on the subject.

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Gee, I'm crossing my fingers for you!

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(Can't you just, ehm, kill the other guy or something?)

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Ha. I joked that to my dad yesterday and he said I shouldn't say such things, because then something will happen to him and you know who everyone will look for.

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That could only mean that your dad is a secret FBI informant.

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Um, I just had a read through, and I don't think I'd trust half of these sources. None of them seem neutral, several are conspiracy theorist and a couple, particularly the second and the seventh, seem to be in cloud cuckoo land.

I'd stick to the BBC and main news organisations, personally.

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What, you don't care about ""independent"" sources? (double quotation marks)

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Sorry? I don't get the meaning of the double quotations. I was just saying I'd stick to stuff that was at least trying to remain impartial and report the facts.

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Show me a guideline defining the criteria for impartiality.

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We;ll, it's a nice start if to begin with every side is accusing the news source of being biased against the other guy. The BBC is particular has been accused of being left-wing, right-wing, pro-palestinian, pro Israel, all usually at the same time.
Then, it is usually good if they do not make it blatently obvious what side they are on in putting forwards opinions as well as facts. Those which appear to eb sticking to the facts and not pushing any agenda are best.

Finally, I wound not trust any site which seems to be founded on conspiracy theories, which at least two of your sources seem to be.

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So you want them not to state their biases but instead follow them silently, while still holding biases. That's called political correctness.

Fact: you'll probably never find a completely impartial media.

I already understood that you would not trust part of the sources. Frankly, I seldom trust any sources.

Maybe you should read my previous post too.

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ddstory.livejournal.com

That still leaves you with the other half.

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The other half of what?

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ddstory.livejournal.com

You: and I don't think I'd trust half of these sources

Me: That still leaves you with the other half.

Which means you trust half of these sources. That would suffice, I guess. The point being that you may selectively pick up one or more sources, declare them unreliable, and thus dismiss the entire point. -or- You could skip those sources which you don't trust, and focus on the point, based on those which you do trust.

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I don't trust half the sources, and don't know enough about the other half to be able to make a balanced judgement. They may have a point, this is true, but then the crazy man in palimant sqaure holding boards saying the freemasons did 9/11 might have a point about Global Warning, but I'd rather trust the scientists.

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hannahsarah.livejournal.com

I'm seriously considering moving to Israel, and while I was filling out my application through Nefesh b'Nefesh, the website got hacked and shut down.

You see, THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!

I'm not such a huge fan of the Israeli government at times, but when the sh*t hits the fan (and it will) I'd rather be in The Land than out of it.

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That's brave. You want to be in the place while the shit spills over it?

Also, it's time we accept the fact that whenever a conflict occurs, it'll be accompanied by cyber warfare. It has happened when Russians hacked Estonian internet, then Georgian internet, the Chinese hackers have been very active, and the Turks now.

The upside of all that is that it's a source of more lulz. Unless you're directly affected of course. Sorry to hear that you were affected.

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hannahsarah.livejournal.com

The shit will not be confined to Israel's borders, I assure you. I felt much safer when I was in Israel than I do here in the US. The anti Israel demonstrations around the US and Europe are getting more out of hand every day.

People are coming out of the woodwork saying all kinds of horrible things, with no shame whatsoever. If they had said things like that about an African American there would be riots and blood in the streets - but of course we're expected to be as meek as lambs.

Things have not been OK here for a very long time, but this past week has really driven home to me that this is NOT where I am supposed to be. It can take up to a year to immigrate, so in the meantime I'm keeping the hatches battened down, and the safety off.

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Being at a demonstration could be dangerous, yes. But I doubt you'd attend an anti-Israel demonstration so I should feel safe for your security while in the US. ;-)

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alphistia.livejournal.com

oh my, putting a piece by Ralph Peters from the NY Post on this reading list pretty much sends me a bit further into the Turkish camp on this issue...

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At least it wasn't Alex Jones. Oh snap! :-D

I think ddstory is up to something over there.

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abomvubuso.livejournal.com

Good thing you didnt cite David Icke as well :D

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Oh I get it. It's the source, Watson.

OK then here's something I know you'd appreciate.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-june-3-2010/glenn-beck-airs-israeli-raid-footage

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No opinion yet

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/jun/04/press-freedom-israel

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So far what I see mostly is people posting semi-related "facts" to back up the positions they already came to before any evidence. I'm trying not to jump to the opposite side just out of association, but it's hard.

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Always is.

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geezer-also.livejournal.com

Veteran of the web as you are, I'm a bit disappointed that you seem to fail to realize when people say "you can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts", mean exactly that; since if your facts differ from mine, your sources are unreliable.

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Fair enough. We all play the same game.

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kinvore.livejournal.com

Thanks for the perspective. What angers me is how so many are blindly one-sided on this incident (and on the entire Middle Eastern crisis in general I suppose). This wasn't just some hippies taking flowers to Hamas.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed at Israel too but I guess this incident shows that people are going to believe what they choose to believe.

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That's what I've been trying to portray for the last 2 days. For the record, I'd like Israel to lift the blockade immediately. But that's not the way to do it. And my focus is of course on people's bias (while acknowledging my own as well).

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Why is it not the way to do it? The flotilla made the blockade the global #1 news story for almost a week now. International pressure is building against Israel and if they continue with their current attitude, it's going to hurt them a lot. Seems to me like these actions were an absolute success.

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