How the hive works:

[mahnmut]

...as a continuation/example for The Hive.

Some background.
Group X hosts persons X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, X8, X9 & X10. They're all friends/allies. You just don't mess with Group X, or else.

Group Y hosts persons Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4 & Y5. They pretty much listen to what Y1 says, and respectfully agree.

Group Z hosts persons X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, Y1, Y2, Z1, Z2, Z3, etc. It's pretty mixed up there, and it's become the actual arena of the X v Y clashes.

Situation 1.
Y1 says something stupid in Group Y. Y2, Y3, Y4 & Y5 say "This!"
X1 notices that Y1 said something stupid, and shares it in Group X. X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, X8, X9 & X10 say "How stupid! Haha!"

Situation 2.
Y2 says something on Group Z which X1-10 disagree with (How do they know they disagree? Well, they're of Group X after all! So they all disagree).
X1 notices this and spreads the word on Group X.
Group X go to Group Z, and they pile over Y2, eventually driving them off the map. Victory!

Situation 3.
In Group Z, Z1 has a conversation with X2, and calls X2 "baby".
X2 is not happy and complains in Group X. X1, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, X8, X9 & X10 say "How awful!"
X1 jumps right into the middle of Conversation Z1-X2, slamming Z1: "Why did you call X2 a baby? You're a terrible person! Apologize!", to which Z1 responds: "Who are you to jump in here? Apologize? Me? No I won't!"
X1 raves on Group X, and X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, X8, X9 & X10 step up their support, but Z1 still insists they didn't mean to offend X2. However, X1 insists they did.
Z2 comes in, using some vague arguments to defend Z1 and explain how, you see, Z1 didn't mean to offend X2, and X1 is wrong to insist an apology from Z1 on behalf of X2. X1 is adamant, and so is Z1. Meanwhile, X2 is hurt, and Z2 is having their fun debate over semantics.

Guys on the sidelines can only sit in awe and headdesk.

Comments

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

X v Y clashes is how babies are made.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

What of Z then.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Group X go to Group Z, and they pile over Y2, eventually driving them off the map. Victory!

And then you wonder why less and less Y's spend time on group Z.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Exactly my point. I love Group Z and I want real conversations with both X-s and Y-s. If less Y-s venture to stay because they deem the presence of coordinated, warring X-s intimidating, ultimately it's not good for Group Z. And I love Group Z.

Personally I'd prefer that the X-s tone it down a bit.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

Such stuff is bound to happen every now and then. There are all sorts of factors and contexts outside of Z which indirectly affect Z as well, but you just cant control it all, so perhaps its better to learn to cope with it. Granted, when Z gets directly affected its constituents would respond respectively. Beyond that, its all up to the likes of X and Y and their small fights, but thats none of Z's bizzniss.

I hope i got your references right.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

You know me. I'm not someone who 'learns to cope' with things. I wouldn't be where I am now if it was the other way. And yet I see what you're saying. And since it's YOU who are saying it, and you're much more familiar with 'Z', I guess I'll have to trust your judgment on that one.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

How is this not affecting Z?

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure what this is about but the moment which bothers me in this story is - why would X1 insist so much to speak on behalf of X2? Can't X2 speak for himself?

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Because X1 likes doing that, you know, because it's their noble mission to protect everyone from Group X justice wherever it's under threat.

[ghoststrider.livejournal.com]

I'm assuming this is about talk_politics, no?

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

That's Group Z.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

And was this related to the latest thread on the Hiroshima and Nagasaki Bombings? Because I still yield not one inch on the Imperial Japanese Army eschewing its chance for its own "day to die" the way the IJN sought and gained at Leyte Gulf. Da Bomb's no less evil for having prevented the Japanese Army from suiciding itself.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

I honestly didn't mean much by it, just thought it was necessary to mention it..........LOL

I'm so glad I have only the foggiest notion as to what you are going on about...I did recognize group Z :D

Political forums seem to be like the red light district. When you are used to one place. Someone (like me) who is basically naive, but enjoys the variations, because they are monitored just enough, walks into a S&M place and wonders what the heck happened.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

You're not involved in the whole story, don't worry.

[chemchick.livejournal.com]

What is this noise?

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

It's a swarm of angry bees circling around a bear who's trying to climb their tree.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Oh also I'm a little confused. I get what Z is, and who the Z people are. I get what the X people are, but I think I'm missing who the Y people are. In the particular instance you were talking about, there's not really a Y 'group' at all. I can think of a very good group for 'Y' to represent, but in the specific instance, 'Y1 and Y2' are not part of said Y group.

Did that make any sense? :P

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

That made a hell lot of sense. Which group did you think Y represents?

[airiefairie.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't call it a Hive. There are hardly more than 2-3 people on either side... I mean the most vocal ones. The rest are just spectators who occasionally clap hands or boo.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry -- I was told there'd be no math.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

After reading all of the replies, it turns out I was right all along...it WAS my fault :P (hey I hardly ever get to take blame for anything, I'm beginning to think I'm becoming invisible, so please, please let me take some of the responsibility here)
Have a great rest of the weekend, this was fun.

[hannahsarah.livejournal.com]

And now you know why I quit the community.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Show me a place where this is not happening and which is not an echo chamber.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

http://mahnmut.livejournal.com/152045.html?thread=642797#t642797